"Rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be." .. (Nick Hanauer .. from this article)
If eliminating Columbus Day means that your “Italian family, friends and people” can’t celebrate their heritage, you probably don’t know jack shit about your heritage. How about the days dedicated to one of the dozens of Italian saints? How about the Feast of St. Anthony? Your Irish-American friends seem perfectly content with celebrating the day of a saint* as their day of heritage. Or, hell, if you’re not into celebrating saints, there’s plenty of Italian-Americans from the last 150 years that are much more worth devoting a holiday to than the genocidal maniac you seem to love so much.
And your comparison to Germanfest is fucking ridiculous. Germanfest does not actively and explicitly celebrate a genocidal maniac. If someone was celebrating a “Hitler Day” or another day devoted to a high-ranking Nazi official then your comparison might actually have some weight. But as it stands, it’s a false equivalency of the first order and fuck you.
(*Granted, the Irish celebrate a saint who’s guilty of genocide himself, but that’s a battle for another day, and alas, the druids aren’t around to defend themselves.)
Alright, I might have made my point unclear because I did what I preach against: I let myself get involved emotionally. So, I took a break, took a breath, and then decided to write this up after thinking it over. These are my points for why I will celebrate Columbus Day and my opinion on a lot of the things said.
I am able to recognize that bad things happen – but these bad things don’t take away from the good things that happened and that continue to live on through remembrance.
I have not put anybody down. I’ve not said anything bad about anybody, especially not the Native Peoples. I didn’t say that nobody else deserves a day of their heritage, I didn’t say anything about anybody other than to make examples. The only thing I’m saying is that it’s not wrong to recognize the accomplishments of what Columbus’ discoveries have meant for a nation and have meant for not just Italian people but everyone affected by his exploration and his going into a New World. It means a lot to the world as a whole: the world of exploration, the world of science, the world of art, the world of humanity. What he did is representative of a spirit of moving foreword, of going beyond your limitations, of seeing the world in a different way. And that holds true for anyone, no matter what nationality you are. That’s what Columbus Day represents, and ultimately that’s why we should still celebrate it. Other people can have days as well, nobody said that they can’t or that they shouldn’t; of course being Italian, the Italian community has a great regard for it. It’s special to be able to say that someone of our nationality made such an accomplishment, there’s a certain pride associated with that.
Our celebration of “Indigenous Peoples” would be Native Americans, whom Columbus had no contact with. If you want to celebrate the indigenous people of Central America, go there or come up with another name for your Holiday/political agenda. Even there they celebrate Columbus Day. And how do I know this?? I have a relative who is from El Salvador, born and raised there, and immigrated here, so she knows from experience that they celebrate it. They don’t teach that he is a murderer in El Salvador – they teach that he was an explorer and a dreamer, and that he was inspired by astrologers and wanted to show that the Earth was round. He went to America and became friends with the Native Peoples, and they liked him and respected him, but after he returned to Europe and brought with him samples of what he found in America, the Europeans (specifically the English, the Portuguese, and the Spanish) returned and began to strip the country of its resources. They recognize that there were incidents of violence, but most of the Native Peoples died form disease which the people of El Salvador don’t generally blame on the Europeans, they just recognize that it happened. Columbus is not looked on as being a bad guy. Columbus became friends with the people there, they even nursed he and the few members of his crew that made it there back to health when they arrived on the brink of starvation.
When Columbus landed, one of the ships was wrecked, and Columbus had to leave 39 men behind. He convinced the King and Queen to send a second expedition for colonization purposes, and returned to find that his men had been slaughtered. Some of the men had gone out and raped the local women, which angered one of the local tribes – they sent their own after the Europeans and slaughtered every last one there. Columbus spoke with one of the other tribal chieftains, whom he had befriended on his first voyage, and the chieftain told him that it was a rival tribe that had killed his men, and Columbus sought out the rival tribe in retaliation. Columbus was not some monster who went in and killed indiscriminately – he had befriended people there. The fighting really started after the men he left behind made a stupid move and sparked a series of back and forth retaliation.
Among the people of the second voyage, that you’re calling murderers and rapists, are: Francisco de LasCasas, an adventurer who, along with his son, became an important figure in the fight for native rights. Ramone Pane, a priest who lived among the Native peoples for many years and who wrote a history of their culture. Diego Velazquez, a governor of Cuba. And Juan Ponce deLion, who was a governor of Puerto Rico and whom we know as an adventurer who searched for the fountain of youth. And also, Queen Isabella decreed that all the New World Natives were subjects of the Spanish Crown and therefor could not be enslaved.
If you’re going to call out one holiday for the negativity associated with its past rather than just focusing on the good it represents, then you’ve got a lot of holidays to work through. Christian Christmas and Easter?? We of the Catholic Church have an extremely dark history, as do other Christians, I actually just purchased a book about it. Non-Christian Christmas and Easter, as well as Halloween?? The Druids sacrificed numerous peoples who weren’t part of their Clan. President’s Day?? Oh, we’ve had a lot of dark history in our presidency. Even Martin Luther King Day – he was a womanizer and cheated on his wife, and you people are supposed to be all for equality and representations of women. Passover celebrates a plight from Egypt, not the death of the Egyptians, would you try to change that as well?? Using your argument tactic, someone else could easily say that the Irish have been a thorn in the side of the British and should have their holidays taken away – which I don’t believe, this is just an example of your logic applied to another issue. Everyone has a dark history, some worse than others in degree, but no one is perfectly free of it. The Indigenous Peoples slaughtered members of smaller tribes or groups, sacrificed, skinned and scalped and tore apart. Everything in nature is dark, too, not just humans: Whenever a more powerful animal, plant, bacteria, anything moves in, the weaker one is usually killed. Does that mean I believe we should ignore the suffering of others or that we should condone it?? No, I believe it should be recognized on its own. I just don’t believe in destroying an ideal and a good concept over these shadows looming throughout our history and our nature. I don’t believe any of these Holidays should be belittled for what they could be associated with.
I know my heritage. I can name the city in the region in Italy where my family is from. I lived in Italy for the majority of my childhood, I’ve gone up from Sicily to Rome and farther north by car, stopping in cities all along the way. I know people who still live there, Italian people who were bred and born there. The night before Columbus Day I had dinner with one of the Italian singers who would be performing at the parade in New York. I spoke Italian, I ate Italian food, I lazed about on an Italian afternoon, I walked to school through the village on a cobblestone road, I traveled up Mt. Etna and watched eruptions from the base of the mountain in my house, I celebrated Italian holidays and I attended Italian masses. I know my heritage, and I understand Italian culture. You know nothing about me, so don’t try to call out thing you can’t be certain about. What do you know about Italian culture?? What are your sources??
Don’t you dare pull up my opinions on other topics to try and justify shooting a completely different one down. You want to know what else I support?? Women having the choice about abortion. Women getting equal rights and pay. Same-sex unions being recognized in each state. I have more liberal friends who can look at my gun-control and gay-marriage tirades, disagree with my opinion on guns, and then agree with my opinion on gay-marriage and use my arguments as examples in their own. I have more conservative friends who do the opposite. People are able to pick out each of my arguments as an individual one – this argument has nothing to do with any of my others. My opinion on one issue does not determine anything about my opinion on the next, because (maybe unlike you) I am able to treat each issue as its own individual one and form an opinion based on that. I don’t have to side with what everyone else in my group sides on.
You’re a 30-some year old man attacking and verbally abusing a young woman younger than 20 for stating her opinion and standing up for her beliefs?? Other people have argued, and not one of them has referred to me so horrible in tags or with name-calling, tagging me as anything even remotely as vulgar as “fuckboy”. Your foul language does not make your argument seem any more intelligent – in fact, it detracts – but it does count as harassment and bullying. I have the freedom to state my opinions, I have the freedom to celebrate whatever holiday I like, and you’re going to emotionally harass me, a young woman standing up for my heritage and my people’s views, because you’re some historical pessimist and since you can’t make a valid point for yourself you simply try to tear my opinion and myself down?? I already got through depression and self-loathing and I’m not letting anyone put me back there no matter how they refer to me, but you’re lucky that I’m willing to let such things slide because what you’re doing outside of arguing is wrong on so many levels. There are people who would be so very easily depressed by this kind of treatment, so watch the way you talk to others with such a complete lack of respect or compassion for future reference. I sincerely hope that you don’t talk to other people this way.
Columbus Day, to recap, celebrates the advancements of science, the discovery of a new world, going out to prove one’s dream, and celebrating Italian culture. Nobody who celebrates Columbus Day thinks of it as justifying what was done to the Native Peoples, and assuming that we do is purely ignorant. Unlike you, we don’t guilt-trip people about their past; rather, we hold our ideals and accomplishments close to our hearts and look toward a better tomorrow.
This is the last time I’m going to go around with this because it’s becoming a waste of time (I’m only stating this as a wrap-up and clarification for other people), because the point is: I want to keep my Holiday. You want an Indigenous Peoples Day?? There are 300+ days to pick from, don’t take mine away. A lot of the Italian community here in America is upset by this, don’t take away from a group of people who have a history of being robbed of their culture and their pride. Everybody has done bad things, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore the good they’ve done or the good they can stand for.
I hope that this has helped you to better understand where I and people like me are coming from. Perhaps next time, instead of having an exchange filled with vitriol and offensive language, you will be able to have an adult discussion with intelligent, well-thought out ideas and personal opinions. It’s in sharing the way we see things with others that we all learn of differing views, and if nothing else, I have definitely walked away from our conversation having learned a thing or two.
This is adorable. 1991 words in defense of an unnecessary, harmful imperialistic holiday. 1991 words. (Yup, I actually copy-pasted into a word processor to get that figure.)
That said, I’d like to apologize for one thing: I’m sorry that I misgendered you by calling you a “fuckboy.” I had no idea you were a woman, and I should’ve been more careful in my assumptions. I am truly sorry for that, and I’ll be more careful in the future.
But the rest of this is, uh, quite risible, to say the least:
1 and 2: No, that’s what it means to Europe and Western culture. To the Native Americans, it means a reminder of the genocide those Western powers enacted on them. Also, even among the Europeans, Columbus was not the first to sail to the Americas.
Also, there were enough Italian-Americans responding to your bullshit that don’t approve of Columbus Day, and even in the news, it’s only certain Italian-Americans who objected to renaming the day to honor Indigenous Peoples. But I shouldn’t have to point that out, because when I rant against Italian-Americans being fuckwitted about keeping the holiday, those with their hearts in the right place know I’m not talking about them.
And Columbus Day isn’t even celebrated in Italy, as actual Italians have pointed out.
3. Um, you know that “America” actually consists of North AND South America, right? And really, by geological extension, the Caribbean? Or, actually, even a step further, “America” is the name given by Western powers to those lands in the first place, so just the name is a mark of imperialism.
But since we don’t know what the Native Americans called their lands, we have to call it “America,” which is, again, ALL of North and South America. Not just the part that forms the current U.S.
So, yes, Columbus WAS in contact with Native Americans. And enacted their genocide.
4. Ill just leave this here, from his own logs:
"They… brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned…. They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane…. They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”
Any “history” you were taught or made up about Columbus making friends among the native people — or even more outlandish, warring tribes! — is BULLSHIT.
5. Las Casas, you mean the “wonderful man” whose idea of “solving” the genocide of Native Americans was replacing them with African slaves? The man who was in many ways the father of the African Trans-Atlantic slave trade? How about no? Fuck that Oatmeal shit.
6. I stopped taking that part seriously once you compared Martin Luther King Jr.’s marital infidelity to fucking genocide.
7. I know enough about Italian culture to know that your attempts to defend Columbus Day as a celebration of your heritage to be a bullshit excuse, in light of the many Italian festivals and holidays that don’t actively celebrate a genocidal and imperialist maniac. ^_^
8. Good for you? Quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your “liberal beliefs” are. You believe that a white cop was within his rights to gun down an unarmed black teen who had his hands up in surrender. And such a mentality is perfectly consistent with someone who would defend a holiday celebrating genocide. That’s all I need to know about your scumbag ass. That’s all I care to know about your scumbag ass.
9. And I have the right to tell you your opinions are ignorant and hurtful. Again, I’m sorry for misgendering you, and I’ll be more careful with that in the future. But, otherwise, I will NOT censor myself to comfort your ignorance.
10. In other words: “This holiday is MINE! WAAAAAAAH!” Obviously, not a good argument.
We’re done. Good night and fuck you. ^_^
Indigenous Peoples’ Day has a lot of folks angry
Indigenous Peoples’ Day has a lot of shitbags angry
There you have it, folks.
My god. There are some pro-circumcision feminists. It’s unfortunate, but extrapolating that subset to all feminists isn’t rational, nor would it justify your (far from targeted) misogyny if it was, shitbag.
If you opposed every category of people that had subsets that supported feminism, you would literally not hate a single human being. You are focusing your effort against a small, already contested fraction of feminists rather than the countless religious leaders, social conservatives, and traditionalists who have far more say over issues of circumcision and far less criticism from their peers for their views.
That says a lot about you. Apparently, though: nothing you’re not aware of yourself.
Fuck right off, you derailing, gross, worthless, pointless jackass.
p.s. nice cissexism, buddy. and by nice, I mean disgusting. and by buddy, I mean “human toenail clipping”.
Calling him a “human toenail clipping” is just so very wrong.
He’s obviously less than the scunge found underneath a human toenail clipping from a person who has had gangrene, body lice, leprosy, and flesh-eating bacteria for the past year.
When animals are mistreated or killed, there is moral outcry and yet we remain deathly silent while millions of preborn children are aborted?
maybe because one is actually autonomous and not infringing on anyone’s rights.
Also why are you comparing animal cruelty to abortion. Guess anti-choicers dont care about animals either. Try again, “pro-lifers”
??? please tell me OP is a troll blog lol i can’t believe this
Sadly, OP is not a troll blog. The blog is run by a white male Catholic seminary student and virgin who believes the world needs his guidance.
If he wants to remain a virgin, he’s got a good shot at it.
this dude posted a video of a woman who came up and started twerking and spraying him with a watergun while he was doing his aggressive anti-abortion harassment outside a clinic. how is this not everywhere on tumblr, she is the greatest person i have ever seen. the fact he posted it calling her an evil demon/racist murderer is tremendously lacking in self-awareness. but note he had to disable the votes/comments.
asking him where the pro-lifers were when black young people are gunned down. he has no real answer! the verbal abuse he sends toward her is genuinely harrowing, though, fair warning.
where is she? what is her name? how do i tell her how amazing and brave i think she is?
ETA: the original where he titled it claiming that she was an “evil demon” was pulled, this new version is courtesy of the benevolent peeingonthethingsyoulove who is most excellent
this woman is a fucking goddess.
Next time: use a real gun with live ammunition.